honda civic vs seat leon

2022 Honda Civic Si Vehicle Type: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan. PRICE Base/As Tested: $28,315/$28,910 Options: Blazing Orange Pearl paint, $395; summer tires, $200 I clamber into the Leon. There's a brake bias dial, some toggles for the ignition and many buttons on the steering wheel. The only one I actually need switches the cabin fan on and off. The Civic Type R looks like something the devil himself spat on the asphalt, and it goes like a bat out of hell, too. Its exclusive turbocharged four-cylinder makes 306 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of Honda Civic Si Image used with permission by copyright holder. Moving over to Toyota, the Corolla’s base engine is a naturally aspirated, 1.8-liter four-cylinder with 139hp and 126 lb.-ft. of 2012 Honda Civic 4.3. ab: 8.300 EUR. Die beliebtesten Modelle. 2008 BMW 3er (E90 restyle) 4.1. 2013 Seat Leon 3.6. ab: 8.800 EUR. 2011 Ford Focus 4.4. Site De Rencontre Entierement Gratuit Pour Senior. The Seat Leon Cupra R is 306bhp of fiery, finely honed fun - but can it match the latest Honda Civic Type R for driving thrills?Regardless of the outcome of this showdown, if you're talking about hot hatches in the conventional sense, the current Civic Type R is the best money can other front-driven car for which you can lay down a deposit at your nearest dealership marries such crushing pace with such a deep-seated sense of mechanical involvement. In fact, the only reason this magazine's road testers elected to bestow upon it four and a half stars is because those so inclined were a little more vociferous in their sentiments than the ones who would give it five. Although it no longer rages, the debate you've probably surmised, we haven't committed editorial hara-kiri and given up the verdict in the first line. Rather, the Honda is the only car in this duo that you can actually buy. Why a nation famous for loosening the purse strings in the pursuit of agile, affordable, peppy shopping carts should be allocated a paltry 24 cars from a run of 799 is anybody's guess, but each right-hand-drive example of the lava-hot Seat Leon Cupra R is now spoken for, which renders this twin test both academic and because even should this £34,995 newcomer bury its esteemed rival in a win that would come as a considerable but welcome surprise, you still can't have one. Fascinating because this is the last Cupra model before 'Cupra' becomes an independent, performance-oriented institution in the manner of Mercedes-AMG. What this car portends–its relative strengths, drawbacks, focus and, most important for us, the ability to entertain is therefore the concern of anybody who might at some point seriously consider buying a hot battle is for the moral victory. Perhaps for you, it's a conflict that the Japanese car has already surrendered. You will by now have formed your own opinion of the FK8-generation Civic Type R's aesthetics, and it may not be entirely favourable. However, with the distinctive-looking Honda sitting longer and wider but no taller than the Seat Leon Cupra R, for sheer presence we're talking cold-blooded murder in classic Championship White, many of the intricacies swallowed up by darker hues emerge: Mitsubishi Evolution-style vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof; side-skirt fins; a vast ventdraining the front wheel arches of lift-inducing pressure; the way the end-plates of that colossal wing flair at their base. Look closely and you'll notice that even the headlight lenses feature aero mouldings. It's a curious, formidable thing that could only ever have been born in Japan and, to these eyes, it's handsome in the same way haggis is enough about this 316bhp Honda, which starts up with an unexpectedly demure burble lost among the harder frequencies and altogether less sociable amplitude of its rip-snorting rival. Previous Cupra variants based on this third-generation Leon have been phenomenally quick point to point but have tempered that with a demeanour that cruises under the radar. That's not the case here. The front and rear valances, skirts and wing are wrought of genuine carbonfibre (the Honda gets a derisible artificial wrap) and there's copper-coloured detailing everywhere, not least on the intake blades and two-tone 19in alloy wheels, which works far better than it wheels fail to obscure Brembo brakes that are larger than the ones on the Leon Cupra 300 and book-end a front axle that has had its geometry tweaked to offer a degree more negative camber. With new suspension uprights as well, Seat's aim has been to make the chassis feel a little more 'pointy', although the contact patch is 10mm narrower at each corner than the Honda's. Even so, aided by smooth Tarmac and warm tyres, the Cupra R's shockingly direct changes in trajectory threatened to rip rubber from rim on its international launch in Spain last the car through a few British bends and you're greeted by what is arguably its métier. The steering rack has been quickened a touch just off centre and has a crisp levity to it, weighting up naturally and with a steely core that transmits, yes, some genuine feel. The narrow gauge of the rim (manufacturers of even far more expensive, potent machinery, please take note) and indulgently soft Alcantara upholstery that, I suspect, is the same as that used in the new Porsche 911 GT3 certainly help. Overall, it's a fantastic, flickable there's the engine. Rarely is the lump under the bonnet the most memorable aspect of a hot hatch, and that's the case with the Cupra R, although for a four-cylinder workhorse, this one is absurdly peak torque of 280lb ft arrives at only 1800rpm and yet, somehow, that same level of twist is still flooding through the six-speed manual gearbox at 5700rpm. Too much of its character is dependent on exhaust tuning, but a more tractable, cultured four-pot you'll not find in anything with five seats and is a shame, then, that some of the basics – and the more nuanced complexities – are lacking. The seats are too high-set and, strangely, given the magnitude of the bolsters, flat across their backs. The throw of this manual 'box is decently short but giddily light. The brake pedal – quite beautifully positioned in relation to the others – feels too generously servo-assisted and, on its retuned adaptive dampers, the chassislacks the final pinch of pliancy that allows its exertions to fade from your telling, even in wet weather – as on the day of our photo shoot – the adjustability that bubbles up from within the best hot hatch exponents is lamentably absent, although the pace on offer is nothing short of spectacular. On British roads, the overall result is a peculiar device, and one that strongly hints at an uncompromised mission statement but ultimately delivers something of a movie Civic, meanwhile, dispenses a roundhouse, the discombobulating effects of which quickly rearrange your notion of what really constitutes 'feeling'. The scarlet seats not only look fabulous but also cup the torso more securely. Crucially, they set your posterior more purposely low down and the consequent impression – unique among this car's rivals – is of being securely enveloped within the going and you'll find the right sort of heft in the steering and clutch and pleasing resistance in the throttle pedal's action. Response isn't as gloriously sharp as it is in the Seat and, lacking that car's twin-scroll turbo, this 316bhp four isn't as willing at lower crank speeds. However, the scales shift at the top of the rev range, where this over-square VTEC engine feasts on the final stretch of the 7000rpm redline with a zeal that's just a little alarming if you're not ready for it. The Honda also weighs an adult passenger less than the Seat, and you notice one-two that makes the Seat drop a knee comes from the Type R's gearshift and damping. The shift quality – honed assiduously by Honda for two decades – is short, tight, notchy perfection. The suspension, with its new rear multi- links, is something we've criticised in the past for being overly stiff but, in this instance, it simply feels the more adroit. The Civic's nose duly dives for apices with the composure of an ice-breaker cruising through a frozen must be said, however, that in these conditions the Civic's mechanical limited-slip differential has to be exploited more deftly and with greater care than its more forgiving electronic equivalent in the Leon. On low-friction surfaces, it is less predictable, locking up earlier and pushing the nose wide to sometimes startling effect. The risk- to-reward ratio is that much more engaging in the Honda, which raises the stakes further still with its oft-cited penchant for could flay these charges for miles and never find the gap between them to be more than a handful of car lengths. Were the Leon wearing the track-day-spec Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres that a fifth of owners are expected to specify, I dare say it would be the quicker car. Whatever the rubber, it's also the easier of two to live with so would be the preference of the non-enthusiast members of your household. And it's for precisely that reason it loses this contest with its head held high but ultimately by some Civic Type R bottles the sensations common to bona fide sports cars and it's a bottle you get to screw the top off on any road and at almost any speed. In the end, it's simple: this limited- run Seat promises great things for an incipient Cupra brand, but the Honda is comfortably there - Honda Civic Type R: A magnificent achievement from Honda. Tangibly the more involving proposition here, despite the unquestionable quality of its opposition2nd - Seat Leon Cupra R: Phenomenally quick Leon bodes well for the Cupra sub-brand but never feels more than the sum of its admittedly impressive parts Bringing car spotting into perspective Real height1 m 2 + cm 1 m Real height1 + cm 1 m Real length Click/tap cars to swap positions Street perspective vs. specification. See Disclaimer. Side ViewHonda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 vs. Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005 Technical specs | Honda Civic (FC) Sedan 2016 is cm longer and cm lower compared to Seat León (1P) 5-door Hatchback 2005. It offers 56% less cargo 1. Maximum height | 2. Width with folded mirrors | 3. Max. ground clearance | 4. Most common power unit. Possible deviation of standards. | 5. With rear seats folded down Quick Facts 721801 Comparison combinations Germany Origin of the most car models 1908 Year of our oldest car model The Seat Leon Cupra R is 306bhp of fiery, finely honed fun - but can it match the latest Honda Civic Type R for driving thrills? Cupra’s infotainment is far superior to that of the Civic Honda is equally quick but packs its punch at higher revs Both cars corner sensationally flat Sporty intent of the Type R is as clear inside as outside Honda’s gives 316bhp and 295lb ft Cupra R grips well but it lacks adjustability Copper colouring tells you it’s a Cupra Well of torque in the Seat is deep and wide for easy, rapid pace Seat puts out 306bhp and 280lb ft Alcantara and leather lift the Leon’s ambience Type R’s chassis engages its driver more in the handling Civic Type R is a series-production car Cupra R: UK gets 24 of a 799-unit run Close 7 mins read10 August 2020 Regardless of the outcome of this showdown, if you’re talking about hot hatches in the conventional sense, the current Civic Type R is the best money can buy. No other front-driven car for which you can lay down a deposit at your nearest dealership marries such crushing pace with such a deep-seated sense of mechanical involvement. In fact, the only reason this magazine’s road testers elected to bestow upon it four and a half stars is because those so inclined were a little more vociferous in their sentiments than the ones who would give it five. Although it no longer rages, the debate lingers. As you’ve probably surmised, we haven’t committed editorial hara-kiri and given up the verdict in the first line. Rather, the Honda is the only car in this duo that you can actually buy. Why a nation famous for loosening the purse strings in the pursuit of agile, affordable, peppy shopping carts should be allocated a paltry 24 cars from a run of 799 is anybody’s guess, but each right-hand-drive example of the lava-hot Seat Leon Cupra R is now spoken for, which renders this twin test both academic and fascinating. This article was originally published on 5 May 2018. We're revisiting some of Autocar's most popular features to provide engaging content in these challenging times. Academic, because even should this £34,995 newcomer bury its esteemed rival in a win that would come as a considerable but welcome surprise, you still can’t have one. Fascinating because this is the last Cupra model before ‘Cupra’ becomes an independent, performance-oriented institution in the manner of Mercedes-AMG. What this car portends–its relative strengths, drawbacks, focus and, most important for us, the ability to entertain is therefore the concern of anybody who might at some point seriously consider buying a hot hatch. This battle is for the moral victory. Perhaps for you, it’s a conflict that the Japanese car has already surrendered. You will by now have formed your own opinion of the FK8-generation Civic Type R’s aesthetics, and it may not be entirely favourable. However, with the distinctive-looking Honda sitting longer and wider but no taller than the Seat Leon Cupra R, for sheer presence we’re talking cold-blooded murder here. Autocar's top 10 hot hatches Moreover, in classic Championship White, many of the intricacies swallowed up by darker hues emerge: Mitsubishi Evolution-style vortex generators on the trailing edge of the roof; side-skirt fins; a vast ventdraining the front wheel arches of lift-inducing pressure; the way the end-plates of that colossal wing flair at their base. Look closely and you’ll notice that even the headlight lenses feature aero mouldings. It’s a curious, formidable thing that could only ever have been born in Japan and, to these eyes, it’s handsome in the same way haggis is tasty. But enough about this 316bhp Honda, which starts up with an unexpectedly demure burble lost among the harder frequencies and altogether less sociable amplitude of its rip-snorting rival. Previous Cupra variants based on this third-generation Leon have been phenomenally quick point to point but have tempered that with a demeanour that cruises under the radar. That’s not the case here. The front and rear valances, skirts and wing are wrought of genuine carbonfibre (the Honda gets a derisible artificial wrap) and there’s copper-coloured detailing everywhere, not least on the intake blades and two-tone 19in alloy wheels, which works far better than it should. Those wheels fail to obscure Brembo brakes that are larger than the ones on the Leon Cupra 300 and book-end a front axle that has had its geometry tweaked to offer a degree more negative camber. With new suspension uprights as well, Seat’s aim has been to make the chassis feel a little more ‘pointy’, although the contact patch is 10mm narrower at each corner than the Honda’s. Even so, aided by smooth Tarmac and warm tyres, the Cupra R’s shockingly direct changes in trajectory threatened to rip rubber from rim on its international launch in Spain last year. Flow the car through a few British bends and you’re greeted by what is arguably its métier. The steering rack has been quickened a touch just off centre and has a crisp levity to it, weighting up naturally and with a steely core that transmits, yes, some genuine feel. The narrow gauge of the rim (manufacturers of even far more expensive, potent machinery, please take note) and indulgently soft Alcantara upholstery that, I suspect, is the same as that used in the new Porsche 911 GT3 certainly help. Overall, it’s a fantastic, flickable helm. Then there’s the engine. Rarely is the lump under the bonnet the most memorable aspect of a hot hatch, and that’s the case with the Cupra R, although for a four-cylinder workhorse, this one is absurdly talented. Its peak torque of 280lb ft arrives at only 1800rpm and yet, somehow, that same level of twist is still flooding through the six-speed manual gearbox at 5700rpm. Too much of its character is dependent on exhaust tuning, but a more tractable, cultured four-pot you’ll not find in anything with five seats and boot. It is a shame, then, that some of the basics – and the more nuanced complexities – are lacking. The seats are too high-set and, strangely, given the magnitude of the bolsters, flat across their backs. The throw of this manual ’box is decently short but giddily light. The brake pedal – quite beautifully positioned in relation to the others – feels too generously servo-assisted and, on its retuned adaptive dampers, the chassislacks the final pinch of pliancy that allows its exertions to fade from your thoughts. Most telling, even in wet weather – as on the day of our photo shoot – the adjustability that bubbles up from within the best hot hatch exponents is lamentably absent, although the pace on offer is nothing short of spectacular. On British roads, the overall result is a peculiar device, and one that strongly hints at an uncompromised mission statement but ultimately delivers something of a movie punch. The Civic, meanwhile, dispenses a roundhouse, the discombobulating effects of which quickly rearrange your notion of what really constitutes ‘feeling’. The scarlet seats not only look fabulous but also cup the torso more securely. Crucially, they set your posterior more purposely low down and the consequent impression – unique among this car’s rivals – is of being securely enveloped within the chassis. Get going and you’ll find the right sort of heft in the steering and clutch and pleasing resistance in the throttle pedal’s action. Response isn’t as gloriously sharp as it is in the Seat and, lacking that car’s twin-scroll turbo, this 316bhp four isn’t as willing at lower crank speeds. However, the scales shift at the top of the rev range, where this over-square VTEC engine feasts on the final stretch of the 7000rpm redline with a zeal that’s just a little alarming if you’re not ready for it. The Honda also weighs an adult passenger less than the Seat, and you notice it. The one-two that makes the Seat drop a knee comes from the Type R’s gearshift and damping. The shift quality – honed assiduously by Honda for two decades – is short, tight, notchy perfection. The suspension, with its new rear multi- links, is something we’ve criticised in the past for being overly stiff but, in this instance, it simply feels the more adroit. The Civic’s nose duly dives for apices with the composure of an ice-breaker cruising through a frozen pond. It must be said, however, that in these conditions the Civic’s mechanical limited-slip differential has to be exploited more deftly and with greater care than its more forgiving electronic equivalent in the Leon. On low-friction surfaces, it is less predictable, locking up earlier and pushing the nose wide to sometimes startling effect. The risk- to-reward ratio is that much more engaging in the Honda, which raises the stakes further still with its oft-cited penchant for oversteer. You could flay these charges for miles and never find the gap between them to be more than a handful of car lengths. Were the Leon wearing the track-day-spec Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres that a fifth of owners are expected to specify, I dare say it would be the quicker car. Whatever the rubber, it’s also the easier of two to live with so would be the preference of the non-enthusiast members of your household. And it’s for precisely that reason it loses this contest with its head held high but ultimately by some margin. The Civic Type R bottles the sensations common to bona fide sports cars and it’s a bottle you get to screw the top off on any road and at almost any speed. In the end, it’s simple: this limited- run Seat promises great things for an incipient Cupra brand, but the Honda is comfortably there already. 1st - Honda Civic Type R: A magnificent achievement from Honda. Tangibly the more involving proposition here, despite the unquestionable quality of its opposition 2nd - Seat Leon Cupra R: Phenomenally quick Leon bodes well for the Cupra sub-brand but never feels more than the sum of its admittedly impressive parts Used cars for sale NewsletterGet all the best car news, reviews and opinions direct to your inbox three times a week. You can unsubscribe via any email we send See our full privacy notice for more details Subscribe Never miss an issue of the world's oldest car magazine – subscribe to Autocar magazine today. Subscribe Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Ma rog... TFSI-ul are turbo :P nu e chiar canci... dar totusi scorul e Civic 100%. Oare n-am facut eu bine poll-ul? :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2579 pai daca problema e la sotie (adica sa o convingi pe ea), solutia e extrem de usoara: daca nu le-a pipait pe niciuna din ele (vb de masini), du-o la dealer si urc-o in ele. dar mai intai la honda, ca sa nu faceti un drum degeaba... :twisted: ce vreau sa spun, civicul are un efect "ciudat" asupra femeilor/sotiilor...mai stiu cazuri... :wink: nu te pune cu prostul ca are mintea odihnita (ignorance is bliss)... Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Chestia cu reglajul lombar al scaunului mi se pare o mare frectie. Am avut asta ( reglaj lombar ) pe vreo 5 masini inainte sa am Honda ( am avut Ford, Skoda 2 buc, Renault, Leon ) si nu ii duc dorul. Este un minus la capitolul "dotari" dar Honda Civic are scaune foarte comode. Leon-ul nou nu mi-a placut in interior ( a fost o idee sa-mi iau ) si are o directie foarte greoie ( tragi cam tare de volan ). Singurul plus este sonorizarea standard care cred ca este cea mai buna din gama. Dar 100% Civic! I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Cine a votat cu Leonul? Care e tradatorul? Macar daca argumenta de ce Leon :roll: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Pai cred ca votat Leonul pt ca e democratie :rock: I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2579 Originally posted by KMR Chestia cu reglajul lombar al scaunului mi se pare o mare frectie. Am avut asta ( reglaj lombar ) pe vreo 5 masini inainte sa am Honda ( am avut Ford, Skoda 2 buc, Renault, Leon ) si nu ii duc dorul. Este un minus la capitolul "dotari" dar Honda Civic are scaune foarte comode. Leon-ul nou nu mi-a placut in interior ( a fost o idee sa-mi iau ) si are o directie foarte greoie ( tragi cam tare de volan ). Singurul plus este sonorizarea standard care cred ca este cea mai buna din gama. Dar 100% Civic! OFF: nici la civic nu mi se pare foarte moale volanul...poate doar in comparatie cu motorul oprit... m-am urcat de curand intr-o octavia 2, diesel si mi s-a parut volanul mult mai usor, pe loc fac comparatia...! sa fie oare numai de la diferenta de cauciucuri...?!? nu te pune cu prostul ca are mintea odihnita (ignorance is bliss)... Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Originally posted by KMR Pai cred ca votat Leonul pt ca e democratie :rock: De ce vrei independenta KMR? Nu ne-am purtat noi frumos cu tine? :lol: Acum serios vorbind... zi-nu si noua niste motive ca sa stie si Cata ce vezi la Leon... motive domnule. Argumente tehnice :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Frate, eu nu am cum sa votez Leon. Am avut ( generatia anterioara ), m-am gandit si mi-am luat CIVIC. Nu sunt eu acela :butthead: Evident ca v-ati purtat frumos =D> I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 "toto" : Leon-ul inca mai este in companie. crede-ma ca este o diferenta enorma . Cea mai usoara directie am avut-o pe Renault megane. I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Administrator FCX Clarity Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10617 Scuze KMR... citisem "am votat"... trebuia pus "a votat" :lol: '08 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport Champagne Silver: Vicky sigpic Comment Super Moderator FCX Clarity Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11122 Imi era foame si am "mancat " un a [-o< Adevarul este ca nu este nimic in neregula sa ai alta parere dar ar trebui sustinuta de argumente. I'm not anti-social. I'm anti-idiot. My cars: '09 Honda Accord Tourer A/T, Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl--all season daily car '00 S2000, Silverstone Metallic - my new daily sunny day drive '96 CRX Del Sol 1,6 SIR, Custom Metallic Green - sunny&warm days car '78 Accord SJ 1,6 Yellow - historical car EX-'11 CR-V 2,2 I-DTEC A/T Executive, Urban Titanium Metallic EX -'09 Accord Sedan 2,4 M/T Executive, Cobalt Blue Pearl EX-''00 HR-V 1,6, Custom Matt BlacK - Utility car EX-'15 Civic 5D 1,8 Sport M/T Briliant Sporty Blue Metallic EX- '95 Civic Eg 1,8 White - race car EX-'08 Civic 5d 1,8 Sport M/T Alabaster Silver - Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2550 inainte de cumpara masina, era pe lista si un leon....insa nu a avut nici o sansa...m-am suit in amandoua...si verdictul se stie ! :wink: recunosc...nu am testat un TFSI '18 BMW X1 18xd '15 BMW i3 range extender ex:'12 Honda Civic A/T / '10 Honda CR-Z GT/ '09 Infiniti EX 37/ '07 Mini Cooper S Cabrio / '07 Lexus IS220 / '04 Ford StreetKa / '07 Honda Civic 5D / '06 Citroen C4 Coupe Comment Senior Member PGM-FI Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 258 Originally posted by ticker Ma rog... TFSI-ul are turbo :P nu e chiar canci... dar totusi scorul e Civic 100%. Oare n-am facut eu bine poll-ul? :lol: dpdv putere/consum/fiabilitate nu stiu cat de bine da peste cel de la honda, la asta ma refeream :wink: *Cata dute nene cu prietena la honda,puneo putin la volan sa vezi cum incepe sa toarca de placere :wink: (fata nu masina ) 07' Civic Type-s Nighthawk Black Pearl ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment Senior Member ASIMO Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2786 Pacat de Leon ca grupul Wag a considerat ca daca arata fain la exterior nu conteaza interiorul. Au gresit rau de tot .. :? .... Comment omu cu warnu' FCX Clarity Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6937 La Megane mi se pare prea usoara directia aia, mie nu-mi place. Hai ma, cine a votat Leon sa spuna si de ce. Ex: Civic Executive NHB 2007/ Del Sol ESI/ Del Sol VTi 2 roti Comment #1 Out of the two, I really can't decide with a budget of £ I'm not overly concerned on the mileage as I won't be doing much myself, so something at 90k for instance wouldn't concern me as long as it's been well cared for. Some of the pre-facelift EP3's seem like really good value now at around £ and £ would probably see a facelift model. On the other hand, I've owned a DC2 before and quite fancy something a little more civilised so the Cupra R seems like a good alternative. I think £ would be pushing it for a good 2004 model though and especially one that's been remapped? Not too sure on how the pre-facelift models cope remapped given they are 210bhp standard compared with 225bhp face-lifted? Both these cars aren't a given and I'm even considering an e46 330i... any help or ideas? #2 Personally I prefer LCR over CTR. Sure, probably not as much 'fun' as the CTR but when you get bored you can tune it up a bit and love it some more. I also think the EP3 looks pretty dated now, I've always loved the look of LCR's though. #3 Out of the three the BMW will be more civilised and ofc RWD although hardly a sports car. I personally don't like turbo'd cars (maybe new ones are far better) so that would rule out the Cupra for me. I'd have to test drive them as on paper they offer similar performance but the way they feel/ride/look only you can decide. #4 The Seat has a nicer interior and more refined ride than the Civic, but isn't up to the Honda dynamically. I was considering a Cupra R before I bought the Civic, but despite being plenty quick enough it's not as much fun to drive as I'd hoped. If i was doing regular, long journeys then the longer gearing and refinement of the Cupra would have swung it. #5 CTR is more fun. Leon has boost and is more tunable. Both will be cheaper to run than a 330i. Drive them and decide #6 Civic has better seats, is more fun and more abusable. Leon a good bit softer and comfier with better steering. I preferred my CTR to my wife's Cupra. #7 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust #8 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust Lovely car, £490 tax though might be a put off #9 Those little algae (autocorrect for alfas apparently) are brilliant - drove one when they were fairly new, took it out for ten minutes and ended up away for over an hour. Great noise, handles well enough (ignore top gear style views I had no problem) and I actually remember it riding quite well too. Being an Alfa it would be a pain in the arse to DIY when something goes wrong, plus are they even that cheap? I like both the civic and cupra R but tbh don't think I would buy either. If I could find a decent 330ci for your money that's what I would buy or alternatively a PPP'd / remapped wrx OP #10 I'd forget them choices and get one of these bad boys I've owned this for 4 Years now and it's the most fun i've ever had behind the wheel, only problem is they are rare (only about 350 were imported into the country) so there's not much to choose from, but the sound the engine makes is phenominal, listen to this vid of one with a unicorse replica exhaust I'd rather a GTV with the same engine but the insurance is plain nasty for some odd reason. Those little algae (autocorrect for alfas apparently) are brilliant - drove one when they were fairly new, took it out for ten minutes and ended up away for over an hour. Great noise, handles well enough (ignore top gear style views I had no problem) and I actually remember it riding quite well too. Being an Alfa it would be a pain in the arse to DIY when something goes wrong, plus are they even that cheap? I like both the civic and cupra R but tbh don't think I would buy either. If I could find a decent 330ci for your money that's what I would buy or alternatively a PPP'd / remapped wrx Again, quite like some of the Prodrive packed WRX's available but the insurance is excessive. #11 I assume you've not thought about the Clio Sports? I'd imagine a Trophy might even be possible in this budget? IMO, the Trohpy is one of the best hot hatches in this price range.

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